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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:54 pm

Ok mythology nerds - how does Odysseus fit in with Iphigenie?
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Re: what to do

Postby Esther » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:06 pm

Penguin wrote:Ok mythology nerds - how does Odysseus fit in with Iphigenie?

oh, I thought the whole point of opera was to do whatever you wanted plot-wise. As long as there's good singing :-D
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Re: what to do

Postby Esther » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:13 pm

Speaking of opera plots, I vaguely remember hearing about some 19th century one. The heroine had to throw herself out of the window into the flaming Vesuvius. Problem was, the actual setting was about 60k away. Geography perhaps not 19th century opera composer/librettist's strongest point....
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:14 pm

Esther wrote:
Penguin wrote:Ok mythology nerds - how does Odysseus fit in with Iphigenie?

oh, I thought the whole point of opera was to do whatever you wanted plot-wise. As long as there's good singing :-D

No, serious question! From what I can work out, it's not a direct link.
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:19 pm

Esther wrote:Speaking of opera plots, I vaguely remember hearing about some 19th century one. The heroine had to throw herself out of the window into the flaming Vesuvius. Problem was, the actual setting was about 60k away. Geography perhaps not 19th century opera composer/librettist's strongest point....



LOL which one?

Just make sure you're not ever the title role in a Shakespearean opera/play. If you are, there's no way you're coming out of it alive.
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:21 pm

maMAMaGOo wrote:
Esther wrote:Penelope said she'd marry one of the suitors when she finished weaving something. But ripped back her work every night.

Can't remember I she had picked someone yet....? Her son Telemachus was not happy either.


Looked it up. You're right about the weaving Esther but she got found out just before Odysseus arrived home in disguise (of course :roll: ) and was under heaps of pressure to marry but she still didn't want to so she set a challenge that would be impossible for anyone other than O to complete. The 108 suitors all try and fail then O steps forward and successfully completes the challenge then kills all the suitors. But Penny still won't believe it's him so she sets a other test which he passes and they live happily ever after :lol:



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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:26 pm

I think I need a family tree/ concept map of the Trojan war. I think I have a holiday project.
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Re: what to do

Postby PellyintheWilderness » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:31 pm

Penguin wrote:
Esther wrote:
Penguin wrote:Ok mythology nerds - how does Odysseus fit in with Iphigenie?

oh, I thought the whole point of opera was to do whatever you wanted plot-wise. As long as there's good singing :-D

No, serious question! From what I can work out, it's not a direct link.

Warning: I'm a Troy nerd.

Odysseus and Diomedes are sent to fetch Iphigeneia from Mycenae to Aulis, where she will be sacrificed. They deceive her mother Clytemnestra, saying that Iphigeneia is to be married to Achilles.

In Barry Unsworth's novel, The Songs of the Kings, Odysseus has a major role in manipulating Agamemnon into agreeing to sacrifice his daughter.

There is no Troy canon, so not all stories agree. In fact, there's scarcely a detail that all sources include or agree on.

The easiest read that covers most of the story is Lindsay Clarke's The War at Troy. Madeleine Miller's The Song of Achilles is pretty good too, and so is David Malouf's Ransom.
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:35 pm

More research... Iphigenia and Orestes were Electra's siblings. I didn't realise there was a third sibling in the mix. And Pylade ends up with Pyrrhus' daughter.
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:35 pm

No he doesn't. Pylade ends up with Electra.
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Re: what to do

Postby PellyintheWilderness » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:36 pm

Three thousand year on, we're still interested in these people. Now that's fame...
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:37 pm

So Pylades and Orestes are half cousins? Or regular cousins? As well as besties?
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:41 pm

So if Pylades ends up with Electra - that's his aunt? Is that right?
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Re: what to do

Postby PellyintheWilderness » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:43 pm

Penguin wrote:So Pylades and Orestes are half cousins? Or regular cousins? As well as besties?

All of the above, probably, and maybe lovers too. And people think Game of Thrones is weird.
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Re: what to do

Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:43 pm

Penguin wrote:So if Pylades ends up with Electra - that's his aunt? Is that right?

No - cousins?
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