Relactating & total breast refusal journey - Advice want

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Post by Dolly » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:30 pm

:smt056 tomorrow is a new day.
DD1 L 03/04 BF
DD2 A 10/06 BF
DD3 O 10/09 EBM has CP

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Post by maren » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:15 pm

Thanks. I hope it'll be a better one.
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Post by mummysairsair » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:34 pm

Just keep reminding yourself that it isn't you that she is rejecting, she is just learning a new skill.. sometimes we all like to turn our noses up at things that are challenging, but with gentle guidance and consistent encouragement, all things are possible :)

I'm stoked to read about all the progress this week.. glad to see the good days are outnumbering the challenging ones :-D

P.S.. I took DD to a chiro who specialises in babies and children for breast refusal, and it was fantastic. He said her neck was slightly misaligned and did gentle massage and used a thing that looked a bit like a clicky pen on her. I definitely noticed that she relaxed a bit after a few treatments. I think maybe part of her refusal was because she wasn't comfortable in a BF position, and of course you hold them slightly differently to bottlefeed so it wasn't noticeable.. Hopefully it will be something similar for you with Lexi :)
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Post by Dolly » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:17 am

mummysairsair wrote:Just keep reminding yourself that it isn't you that she is rejecting, she is just learning a new skill.. sometimes we all like to turn our noses up at things that are challenging, but with gentle guidance and consistent encouragement, all things are possible :)
very well said
DD1 L 03/04 BF
DD2 A 10/06 BF
DD3 O 10/09 EBM has CP

'It is survival and desire to be happy that drive mothers of disabled/ill children, not bravery or some strange need for martyrdom.'

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Post by maren » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:04 am

Hi,

We just got back from the chiro. He said her tailbone, her neck and one shoulder were out and movement was quite restricted so he adjusted everything and now she's having a sleep. We'll have to see later if it makes feeding any easier.
He was really good and said that the neck & shoulder could definitly make attachment harder but he was a bit worried that his adjustments wouldn't make a huge difference because she is already 6 1/2 months and might still refuse to go back to breast just because too much time has passed.
But we'll see. We have to go back to see him Thursday & Monday.

Last night she completely refused even at night time.
The good news is that my supply seems to have gone up by another 50 ml or so. We're at roughly 500ml a day now.
Lucia (half BF/half formula)
Alexis (attachment problems/ expressed BM & formula)
Jesse (FULLY BREASTFED!!!!!)

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Post by maren » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:04 am

OMG!!! Exciting news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She woke up from her nap and I decided to try her on the breast. I squirted a little BM in her mouth and she happily latched on and drank for ages with heaps of swallowing. When the flow got slower she got slightly cranky but still stayed on and just grunted.
Then I decided to try her on the other side (my bad side) and she attached and drank for a few min. It was like a proper feed. I know she's a pretty fast feeder so 10-15 min total used to be enough for her.

She then did a good burp and was really happy.

Then I gave her a solids snack and expressed after to see how much she roughly got.

I hadn't expressed since 3:30am last night because things were crazy this morning with the chiro so I think she would have had about 80-100ml from the breast. I could only express 35ml afterwards.

So obviously the chiro adjustment has made a difference!!!

:D :D :D :D

Yay!
Lucia (half BF/half formula)
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Post by elvencreature » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:56 pm

:smt026 :smt041 !!@!booby :smt038

YAY! Things are going in the right direction now, aren't they!
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Post by KC » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:27 pm

Fantastic news :) :)
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Post by coppertones » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:54 pm

Wow - how awesome! To think it could be something as simple as that would just be great. Keep us posted!!
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Post by mummysairsair » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:36 pm

Oh maren, that is fantastic news!! \:D/ =D> \:D/ =D> \:D/ =D> \:D/ =D> \:D/ =D> \:D/ =D>
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Post by maren » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:46 am

Good morning everyone!

Since that almost perfect feed we haven't had much luck. Not even at night. I think my next step is to co sleep so that she doesn't wake fully before I feed her.

She still has a cough & stuffy nose so I think that's why she wouldn't feed anymore yesterday. It was even hard to drink the bottle.

My (.Y.) now finally have that full feeling if I haven't expressed for a while and I expressed 130ml last night.

Tomorrow my older one is at childcare and then we'll give it another go.

It could also be that her shoulder & neck popped out again. The chiro said he might have to adjust her 3 times before things stay in place.
Lucia (half BF/half formula)
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Post by maren » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:19 pm

Something has definitly changed.

She attached a few times today and stayed on for a minute - 5 min. I've had to experiment a bit with positions. Her favourite right now is me on all fours above her. Sooo not my favourite. It's hard to stay like that for more than a few min.

But I'm willing to try anything.

I expressed every 4 hours now and still get the same amount overall or more. My plan is to pump more on the days my older one is at childcare.

Another thing that seems to work for some reason is talking to her calmly. If I say "Good girl, good girl, good girl" over and over she attaches and stays on a bit longer than without it.

I'm really happy with our progress. Can't wait to go to the chiro again on Thursday.
Lucia (half BF/half formula)
Alexis (attachment problems/ expressed BM & formula)
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Post by maren » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:22 pm

I haven't posted for 2 days. Today we went to the chiro for the 2nd time and her neck was still fine but shoulder and leg had to be adjusted again.

Overall things are soooooooooo much better. She now has short but proper breastfeeds. I still think she's not getting quite enough cause she wakes from her naps earlier or won't go down before a top up and she wants more solids.

So I'm still giving her some bottle top ups but I try to do breast top ups more and more. I'm expressing less but want to up that again to increase supply.

I'm trying to get in to see a speech pathologist soon about improving her suck. It still sounds a bit slurpy. One rang me today and she was really helpful.
Lucia (half BF/half formula)
Alexis (attachment problems/ expressed BM & formula)
Jesse (FULLY BREASTFED!!!!!)

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Post by mummysairsair » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:00 pm

Absolutely fantastic news about her BF and success with the Chiro! :-D
maren wrote:I'm trying to get in to see a speech pathologist soon about improving her suck.
The speech path we saw was great, she showed me how to hold her chin to support it to keep her attached better and for longer, and gave me fun little exercises to do with her to encourage her jaw movements and strengthen her tongue. I saw her free through the local child and family health centre.

I am amazed at how similar our stories are, so much of what you are doing is what we tried to.. all with some success. I'm so so pleased for you maren, thanks for keeping us updated :)
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Post by maren » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:43 pm

I'm seeing the speech pathologist on Friday & the LC on Thursday next week.

We had a perfect feed last night about 3:30am. No bottle first, straight on and fed for ages (both sides) about 20-25 min total. No slurping either.

But during the day she's been a bit up and down. Some feeds she stayed on for a bit, other she was crying and refused. Altogether still much better though.
Lucia (half BF/half formula)
Alexis (attachment problems/ expressed BM & formula)
Jesse (FULLY BREASTFED!!!!!)

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